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help with color flow...

I’ve been looking all over Blurb for info on color flow and all I’ve seen so far is that I’ll need to a preview book to see what my book looks like and quite frankly that bothers me.  Simply using sRGB is only a color profile beginning point in basic color flow technology.  For all of my inhouse printing on my Epson Pro 3800 I use a very elaborate system to produce finished images of what I see on my Pro P225fb monitor and matching it to my printer – Blurb needs to come up with something much better than an sRGB color profile – that takes nothing at all into consideration of what my monitor and your printer see.  Anyone got some advise on this – I have a lot of customers that want books but wont even consider Blurb until I have some method of color flow.

Thanks,

Tomas

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Posted by
FineLite
Aug 16, 2007 3:10pm PDT
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FineLite
 

Hello Tomas,

I think you might find this article on our blog very helpful.

-Ben

Senior Technical Support Specialist

Posted by
bmartinek
Aug 16, 2007 3:31pm PDT
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bmartinek
 

Tomas,  I recently received a second printing of a book of cyclying photos and was very disturbed to discover that all the images had a green cast to them, when compared to mynear perfect color represented in the first printing of my book.  Such lattitude in color control from the first book to the second, at $63.00 per book is very disturbing.  It has very much made me think twice about trying my hand at another book with Blurb.  I sympathize with you, as I also use a calibrated monitor and Epson Pro 3800 printer.  I will read the article the technical support specialis suggests.  But I really feel I wasted $63 dollars on my second book.  I may try to discuss with Blurb officials if there is any recourse.  I’d be happy to mail them both books so their technicians can compare them side by side.  I’ll try to post any results to this issue at a future date.

Rob Currie

Posted by
rcurrie
Aug 16, 2007 6:35pm PDT
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rcurrie
 

Hello Tomas,

I shoot and edit in RGB.  I convert to the sRGB profile for output.  By doing your own in house printing you have eliminated working the sRGB colorspace.  From what I have learned your Epson printer still doesn’t have the entire  RGB colorspace.  I have only had tutorials from Eddie Tapp concerning this issue. Eddie has taught me that there are no printers that will print the whole gammut.  I print on a simple Canon i990.  It is not a sophicated enough printer to use Icc profiles and rips.   I have had to learn perceptual rendering.  For my use this printer has enough bells and whistles.  All I print on this thing is sports posters.  Eddie asked me if the thing has paid for itself.  The answer is yes over and over again.  I send out 99% of my work.  I do portrature and sell senior portrait packages.  Its not economical to print my own stuff. 

I admire your commitment to color as I feel that it the biggest issue a photographer has.   Now about blurb.  When I prepare a file for use in a book I make sure I work in sRGB.  I have asked why not have us work in the cmyk space and the response was that the conversion was best done at the time of printing. 

There are ICC profiles for the printers that  blurb uses and I have yet to use them. I have never calibrated my monitor with my output printing service. (I do calibrate my monitor with an eye one every 2 weeks)  When I requested the ICC profiles I was told they don’t exist.  The recalibrate so often they won’t publish them.  I have found that the color management of my preferred printer stinks so I have learned to see what I will get from them by checking the numerical values of the highlights.  I have also used those numerical values in my blurb printing and have to say I am quite pleased. 

Blurb may not be what you are looking for.  Most large color coffee table books being printed by large publishing houses are printed in China.  I have learned that there is very little printing being done in the United States any more.  I have a relative in the publishing business and when I showed her my blurb books she was astounded to fine that these books were printed domestically.

I  think you should try a sample blurb book.  There is a recipe written by another blurbarian about seeing what blurb sees http://forums.blurb.com/forums/2/topics/203.  I intend to give this a try on my next blurb adventure.  

Regards

Pat T 

Posted by
pattahan
Aug 16, 2007 7:05pm PDT
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pattahan
 

Pat,

When you mentioned about big boy publishing companies print books overseas, particularly in China. Well, this discussion itself is totally off-topic, but wanted to say something “Made in China” and quality issue.

You know, I am starting to keep myself distance from buying anything made in China for quite a bit. Because China is full of crap with promises that they will improve quality. Look at what is going on with bad pigs in China these days, Chinese government quietly and pretended that everything is ok. They are full of crap. Haven’t they learned a bad lesson from SARS global effects on global economy.

All of other recent issues, because of it. I will NOT want to buy any items that were made in China. You guys should consider that too.

The government in the US have not do nothing and didn’t do much really. We, as customers, have to step up and do something. Simply not buying anything from China. This will send the message to China eventually.

I do appreciate the language, rich culture and such beautiful history in China. But it is just that the kind of ongoing behaviour going on and sweeping problems under the rug and pretend nothing has happened.

US government want to help and get some samples from pigs and find out what went wrong. China government refused and deny. That is WRONG!

But again, sorry it is off topic.

Posted by
brianbonitz
Aug 16, 2007 7:49pm PDT
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brianbonitz
 

Hi Pat,

You refer to a color recipe and give a link. On my Mac with Safari, the link doesn’t go anywhere. I’m interested. Any other ways to get there?

Ann B

Posted by
AnnBrooks
Aug 16, 2007 10:03pm PDT
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AnnBrooks
 

Ann,

Drop the ". " off Pat’s hyperlink and you should be able to access the material she was referring to.  http://forums.blurb.com/forums/2/topics/203

Posted by
ces_dlb
Aug 17, 2007 1:07am PDT
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ces_dlb
 

Sorry for the bad link.  There is a disclaimer on this article that that states that this recipe is working for him, his profile his monitor calibration.  BUT  I played with it and found it very interesting.

 As for China,  I was only relaying information concerning where the large expensive coffee table books are being printed.  

Thanks Brian for your imput.   I also would rather not purchase goods made in China, but I would rather keep my blurb discussions related to blurb issues and solutions.  Your posts are informative and I read and enjoy  them.  Thanks!!

Regards to all 

Pat T 

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pattahan
Aug 17, 2007 5:32am PDT
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