Book Design and Imaging

Locked Red scissor lines, pink zones

I am also confused because the red scissor line is supposed to indicate where the page will be cut. The idea of the pink zone seems to be that Blurb is covering its options just in case the page wasn’t actually cut at the red line in case of customer complaints. Point is, when you want a full bleed, where should we put the edge of the image. If we put it to the inside edge of the pink zone, top, left, bottom and right, will we still get a full bleed?

Posted by
petero
Aug 15, 2010 3:42am PDT
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petero
 

I don’t know why they use both the scissors line & the pink area but you should go w/the pink area. I design my books w/at least a thin line of  white space between photos/ text & the pink area. In my latest book on Alaska, http://www.booksmart/bookstore/detail/1490110, a few of my photos were extremely close to the edge of the pg.If I had put any part of the image right next to the scissors line I would have lost the image. Since the cut lines do not show in the preview, it sometimes looks like you have more white space that you need.

Posted by
loricherokee
Aug 15, 2010 1:50pm PDT
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loricherokee
 

I find the FAQs on this very helpful, so if you haven’t already I’d recoomednd you read them.

I have designed  6 books now and have had around 15 copies printed with no trim problems and my interpretation, based on those books, is as follows.

Trimming is a mechanical process and accuracy and repeatability is not guaranteed. I don’t believe this is just weasel words on behalf of Blurb to cover its options, but  simple statement of fact. The FAQs state that UP TO 1/4" MAY be trimmed from the outside edges of the pages.

 So what do I do?

I take the scissor lines as the MOST LIKELY trim point, but  not a guarantee that that is where the trim will actually take place.

I take the pink area as a guide as to where the trim MIGHT take place.

So how to guarantee that the resultant page will not have a white margin, however small, on any of the edges?

Firstly make sure that your image goes RIGHT TO THE EDGE of the full-bleed page. That way, when the trim takes place, there is no likleyhood at all of getting that dreaded white border.

Then you must assume that a small part of that image WILL BE TRIMMED. So I make sure that no critical part of the image (i.e the top of somebody’s head) is within 1/4" of the edge of that image, that is where the pink guidelines are useful.

So far, adopting this strategy has proved successful.

….Tony

Posted by
tfrankland
Aug 15, 2010 3:05pm PDT
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tfrankland
 

Thanks Tony and Loricherokee for your helpful and informtive answers. I now know what I should aim at for a full bleed for the top, left, and bottom. Aim for the scissor lines but don’t put anything critical in the 1/4". But in a full-bleed double page spread, it seems to me that part of the image gets absorbed into the central fold because the very nature of the spine doesn’t allow the book to open flat, particularly so in a minimal-page hardback version. In your experience, should I even duplicate a sliver of the image on both L and R pages to compensate for this? Thanks!

Peter

Posted by
petero
Aug 15, 2010 10:01pm PDT
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petero
 

The image is not printed right to the edge of the page on the gutter side so there is a very slight white strip that is hidden by the binding. (I took obe of my books apart when I had problems with some two page spreads).

I have found that the more pages the more is lost in the gutter. For a 40 page book I do not allow for any overlap, for a (approx) 150 page book I allowed a 1/4" overlap and that worked O.K.

Have a read of this thread and you will see other people’s experiences with this issue.

…..Tony

 

Posted by
tfrankland
Aug 15, 2010 11:26pm PDT
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tfrankland
 

Hello Tony,

I have a 144-page book almost ready to go to press. Would you mind telling me exactly where I indicate that 1/4’’ overlap in the Booksmart template? Pardon my ignorance but I’m new to this and haven’t seen any "overlap" command anywhere on the BS interface. I’ve read the thread you mentioned above too and even though everybody talks about their overlap, no one actually says where to go to make that adjustment.

Thanks in advance for your help.

Deb

Posted by
debdu
May 26, 2011 5:47pm PDT
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debdu
 

Hi Deb,

it isn’t something that you can easily do in BookSmart or Bookify, you need to prepare the left hand image and the right hand image in Photoshop, adding the overlap there, and then import those two images into two full-blled pages. You cannot easily use this technique with BookSmart’s new two-page spread template.

If you have photoshop and want more information on how to do this come back and I’ll go into detail, if you have Photoshop CS or Version 7 onwards let us know.  Mike, a member of these forums, has a nifty program that will create PS templates to help you do this (my understaning is that it doesn’t work with Elements) and he’ll probably chime in with details for you.

…..Tony

Posted by
tfrankland
May 27, 2011 12:06am PDT
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tfrankland
 

Thanks for your reply Tony, that’s very helpful. I do use Photoshop CS2 and yes, I would love more information on how to add that overlap. Any help that you or Mike can provide would be terrific.

Many thanks again.

Deb

Posted by
debdu
May 27, 2011 6:39am PDT
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debdu
 

Hi again Deb.

You’ll find Mike’s program here, I’m sure he won’t mind me pointing you directly at his site. A search of the forums for ps2blurb will let you see his posts on this program and people’s experiences of using it. If you are not used to setting up Photoshop presets I’d highly recommend his program, it is very easy to use and very effective.

 This post gives some people’s experiences of how much overlap is required in the gutter.

I can’t find my post on the way I use Photoshop to do this (I had set up a series of Crop presets for this before Mike’s program was available) so will need to document it again, but as I an off out for the evening shortly I’ll have to do that tomorrow morning. Sorry!

…..Tony

Posted by
tfrankland
May 29, 2011 10:11am PDT
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tfrankland
 

Help yourself to the program.  It only works on Windows.  If you are on a Mac, PS templates are available on the site as well.  I believe the templates will work with Elements, but PS2Blurb will not.  I’ve always used 1/4 inch for the gutter overlap with good results.

Good Luck

Mike

Posted by
Charybdis
May 29, 2011 1:21pm PDT
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Charybdis
 

No worries Tony, I played around with the PS templates. I sent the book to be printed last night. I’m sure it won’t be perfect but that will be a good starting point as far as what adjustments need to be made. Thanks so much to you both for your precious help ;)

Deb

Posted by
debdu
Jun 1, 2011 6:54am PDT
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