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Printed Proof vs Final Product
Book Printing

No, and if you don’t want to edit your pictures, and of course to have carefully calibrated your monitor, you shouldn’t expect to be happy with anything printed.

and if you do do the above two things, book prints, test prints you make, and monitor images will still be somewhat different. They are using different technologies. For example to put it simply: your monitor has a (colored) light bulb in it and prints don’t.

I would guess that if you are ideally calibrated, etc, a Blurb book would be darker than your proof printed “at home”. I could be wrong though.

All of this printing stuff can drive you crazy when you know a fair bit about it. If you don’t, it gets worse.

Scott

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Dec 25, 2007 9:52am PDT
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BLACK AND WHITE PHOTOGRAPHY PRINTING
Book Design and Imaging

I initially (last summer) had real problems with color cast on B&W but all is fine now with the HP press (Indigo I think).

I did do a test with 3 different “darknesses” of several images and found as expected that the press print was darker than the inkjet tests, so for the real book I adjusted all of the images to the values of the lighter test and am very happy.

This is of course not offset quality, but quite nice.

Scott

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Dec 25, 2007 8:55am PDT
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ordering unfinished book to see how it looks
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it’s so cheap why not.

plus you might find that you goofed on something

and I initially worried about the quality of the B&W, well greeness actually. But it is NO LONGER a problem on the new presses (HP).

and I think you may find the book prints quite different from your screen, even if it is calibrated. This is an issue only if you are a nitpicker, but printed ink often comes out a bit darker than inkjet tests. I did a test book with 3 darknesses? of each of several images and was glad that I did. I ended up choosing to use the light version of them all. But then I am indeed a nitpicker.
Scott

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Dec 25, 2007 8:47am PDT
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Softcover standard books moved to Indigo press
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Scott here

sorry for the lack of clarity—-first of all, even in a color managed environment monitors, printers, etc don’t match exactly. Second I am doing only B&W and even a LITTLE green looks green. I imagine that in a color image one wouldn’t even notice as it would be very subtle. Thirdly, the interior of the book goes from greenish (scientific description heh what :) to very nearly (or completely) neutral with time, rather than vice versa. The cover goes from perfect to VERY SLIGHTLY reddish is the higher tones. The cover becomes “not objectonable” I am told. This is all with 2 day shipping and then a wait of maybe 5-7 days. So if we forbid fast shipping to an online buyer…

Anyway, I am pretty happy after time. BUT I’d hate to have someone order a book on line and find it green before they “waited a while”.

and a couple of finallies: a friend and print customer (I do giclees for other artists) says that he finds it hard to imagine me being happy with someone else’s print of one of my images :)

No, it was not the different lighting; first thing that I checked. The ‘greeness’ is objectionable indoors (warm light) and worse outdoors, initially. Not bad later.

And on grayscale vs desat RGB: it shouldn’t make any difference in theory, and doesn’t for sure on an Epson. A color value is a color value.

and my question, with less confusion, still stands: is it safe to presume that the book look will change with press change? almost has to; I really am being foolish to ask. Was going to do a neutral/warm/warmer test book next, but will also include light/normal/darker test again.

Blurb works so well that I hope to be able to make it work for me too.

Someone mentioned half toning and print quality, etc in another thread: the answer that said of course you get that as you do in all press prints and it is normal, to be expected, and still looks fine was right on. I think that the Blurb image quality is quite good.

Thanks
Scott

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Oct 12, 2007 9:39am PDT
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Softcover standard books moved to Indigo press
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so this means that I need to redo my test book and sort of start over, right?

the test book tested for lightness/darkness, and should have tested for “color” of the B&W images. I imagine both of those might change? Which is good if the B&W comes out less green and doesn’t shift with time.

Thanks
Scott

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Oct 12, 2007 5:49am PDT
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